Person who I forgot to ask if I could quote her said<\/p>\n
\ni don’t understand your reply<\/a> to my comment<\/a> in your journal
\nwhere you said “creepy? you think the idea of me wanting to use possibly dangerous methods to put people in suggestible states and program them is creepy?”<\/p>\nlike, i don’t think that most people would get quite how creepy that is, but if you’re flat-out saying that you’re using possibly dangerous methods to put people in suggestible states and program them and that (if i read you correctly) that *is* creepy, then… why would you do it? i mean how would that be okay?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n
This in reference to my idea to use 10Hz waves to put people in alpha states and then expose them to ideas of peace, love, joy, togetherness, etc. Morality in art is a good discussion to have. I saw an installation L.A. that used real bits of endangered animals. I heard the artist say the point was about vegetarians who wear leather shoes. I felt like killing endangered animals for so little reason was profoundly immoral. so is it wrong for an artist to experiment on people using methods she’s used on herself? I want to make clear that the “danger” here is the possibility of seizures from strobe lights. Every dance club I’ve frequented on the east coast has had a strobe.
\nI asked my questioner: if I gave participants copies of my research, explained my methods, provided them with printed copies of all text first and experimented on myself before allowing others in, would it be ok?
\nShe said no, you can’t give informed consent to something you haven’t experienced and furthermore, some things, like recreational murder, cannot have the concept of informed consent.
\nI don’t think I agree. First of all, I can’t try murdering myself and then go murder you after seeing how it went for me. The non-consentability of murder has to do with the finality of it and that it is universally recognized as harmful. People consent to potentially harmful things all the time, like bungee jumping, or even things that are supposed to cause them pain, like kinky sex (everyone who has done it has consented without personal fore knowledge once). Furthermore, it’s not my intent to harm anyone. So, like bungee jumping, maybe there’s risk (but not risk of getting flattened under a bridge), but the goal is a positive experience. There’s some things floating around online that claim that “there is ample evidence that some [altered states] bring about extremely pleasant feelings and can profoundly affect personality.” (http:\/\/skepdic.com\/altstates.html<\/a>)
\nWell, is it immoral? I don’t think I’m going to have time to do this by April anyway and certainly not in any sort of super-master-hypnotist level. I like generating controversy, though. I wonder who would participate if they thought it might hurt them? Why would they? What role would peer-pressure play? Why do people go to Survival Research Labs<\/a> events? Are they immoral? This is profoundly useful for distracting me from writing chapter 2 of my thesis<\/a>.
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