{"id":1721,"date":"2003-09-10T03:29:00","date_gmt":"2003-09-10T02:29:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.celesteh.com\/blog\/2003\/09\/10\/taking-him-on-celeste-hutchins\/"},"modified":"2015-06-19T00:26:49","modified_gmt":"2015-06-18T23:26:49","slug":"taking-him-on-celeste-hutchins","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.celesteh.com\/blog\/2003\/09\/10\/taking-him-on-celeste-hutchins\/","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"<h3>Taking him on!<\/h3>\n<p>Celeste Hutchins<\/p>\n<p>Proseminar<\/p>\n<p>10 September 2003<\/p>\n<p>Postmodernist Ives<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Kramer is correct in<br \/>\nconcluding that Ives is not a &#8220;pre-postmodernist.&#8221; Although Ives aesthetic is clearly very forward thinking,<br \/>\nhis intentions are not and he borders on being a romantic. Kramer&#8217;s article starts<br \/>\nwith a definition of postmodernism &#8220;as a recurrent movement within modernism.&#8221;<br \/>\nDespite working with a definition that frees postmodernism from time<br \/>\nconstraints, it still supposes that a &#8220;pre-postmodernist&#8221; would embrace current<br \/>\ncultural values. This situation would be exception, especially since music<br \/>\ntends to lag 50 years or more behind the other arts in following<br \/>\nmovements. Ives, as a<br \/>\ntranscendentalist, is no exception. Cowell, in his biography of Ives, (really a hagiography) <i>Charles Ives<br \/>\nand His Music<\/i>,<br \/>\nidentifies Ives as a follower of Emerson. Cowell writes, &#8220;By that time Emerson&#8217;s thinking had been shaping<br \/>\nAmerican minds for more than sixty years . . ..&#8221; (p. 8) Ives is thus not at the<br \/>\nforefront of philosophical thought, but identifies with the values of a<br \/>\nprevious generation.<\/p>\n<p>His song, <i>The Things<br \/>\nOur Fathers Loved<\/i><br \/>\nsimilarly esteems a bygone era. In this case, it idealizes community bands like<br \/>\nthe one Ives&#8217; father conducted. It<br \/>\npraises small town life, which, as Kramer points out, was already<br \/>\ndisappearing. Thus it represents<br \/>\n&#8220;nostalgia for the unattainable,&#8221; and promotes nostalgic values. He has similar<br \/>\nromantic yearnings in other works. Cowell describes a short piece for vocalist and piano. Ives notes that four measures of the<br \/>\npiece would sound better played on a string quartet than a piano and a quartet<br \/>\nshould be used for those measures if possible. &#8220;Four string players are not usually on hand at a song<br \/>\nrecital to play just the four measures that sound better with strings than they<br \/>\ndo with a piano, but of course from the composer&#8217;s point of view they should<br \/>\nbe. Ives exclaims: &#8216;Why can&#8217;t a<br \/>\nmusical thought be presented as it is born?'&#8221; (Cowell p. 10) This idea of spontaneity could have<br \/>\ncome directly from one of the romantic poets.<\/p>\n<p>Kramer&#8217;s claims as to<br \/>\nIves&#8217; misogyny are also amply documented. In the song <i>An Election<\/i>, the vocalist sings,<br \/>\n&#8220;some old women: male and female.&#8221; That line certainly &#8220;conforms to what classical psychoanalysis calls the<br \/>\nmasculine protest.&#8221; (Kramer p. 183) Cowell approvingly records Ives&#8217; (masculine) protest against Haydn, &#8220;Easy<br \/>\nMusic for the sissies, for the lilypad ears of Rollo!&#8221; (p. 10) Rollo is<br \/>\nexplained in a footnote on the same page, &#8220;An imaginary gentleman named Rollo<br \/>\nis a familiar of the Ives household &#8211; one of those white-livered weaklings who<br \/>\ncannot stand up and receive the full force of dissonance like a man.&#8221; Thus Ives&#8217; dissonance stems not from a &#8220;[search]<br \/>\nfor new presentations . . . in order to impart a stronger sense of the<br \/>\nunpresentable,&#8221; (Lyotard) but from &#8220;a dread of being feminized.&#8221; (Kramer p.<br \/>\n183) This is especially clear when<br \/>\nIves complains about the New York Symphony Orchestra&#8217;s response to <i>Washington&#8217;s<br \/>\nBirthday<\/i>. They asked him to cut out some of the<br \/>\ndissonance. He wrote, &#8220;They made<br \/>\nan awful fuss about playing it, and before I got through, this had to be cut<br \/>\nout, and that had to be cut out, and in the end, the score was practically <i>emasculated<\/i>.&#8221; [emphasis mine]<br \/>\n(Cowell p. 68) Dissonance is thus very clearly linked in Ives&#8217; mind to manliness<br \/>\nand virility. <\/p>\n<p>Kramer also describes<br \/>\nflute as phallic. (p. 197) Although this may seem absurd, given the flute&#8217;s current association of<br \/>\nfemininity, the flute was recently considered a manly instrument. Flutist Polly Moller told me that one<br \/>\nhundred years ago, the flute occupied the cultural position currently held by<br \/>\nthe electric guitar. Middle class<br \/>\nwhite boys learned to play them and tried to master them, much like some of<br \/>\nthem now try to sound like commercials for Guitar Center. Therefore, if Ives&#8217; use of the flute is<br \/>\ndesigned to convey manliness, it is intended to convey the culture of the white<br \/>\nmale middle class.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Kramer<br \/>\ngoes on to describe Ives as homophobic, based on his misogyny and fear of<br \/>\nemasculation. Ives&#8217; disassociation with Cowell seems to confirm this, however I<br \/>\ndisagree with the thesis that misogyny leads directly to homophobia. Sometimes<br \/>\nmale homosexuality is presented as a hyper-manliness, for example in the<br \/>\ndrawings of Tom of Finland or among the Brown shirts of 1930&#8217;s Germany. In any case, Cowell&#8217;s writing reveals<br \/>\nno tinges of discomfort as he joins Ives in condemning Rollo and the sissies. However, if &#8220;Ives&#8217; obsessive degradation of the feminine&#8221; is any sort of<br \/>\na &#8220;response to the social conditions surrounding concert music in the late nineteenth<br \/>\ncentury,&#8221; (Kramer p. 183) then Cowell&#8217;s approval could similarly stem from<br \/>\nsocial conditions surrounding male homosexuality. Perhaps both of them were avoiding the sissy label &#8211; applied<br \/>\nto male musicians and gay men alike.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ives&#8217;<br \/>\ndesire to avoid &#8220;pretty little sugar plum sounds,&#8221; (Cowell p. 10) is clearly<br \/>\nevident in his masterwork <i>Symphony No. 4<\/i>. At one point, a violin plays a romantic line, while another<br \/>\ninstrument plinks discordantly in the background, as if mocking it. This is followed by a tumult of<br \/>\npatriotic music, blaring furiously away, finally coming to a climax. Immediately after the climax is a break where the<br \/>\naudience laughs nervously in the recording that I listened to. It is a spectacular and occasionally<br \/>\noverwhelming work. Ives wanted &#8220;to<br \/>\nstrengthen and give more muscle to the ear, brain, heart, limbs and <b>feat<\/b>!&#8221; [Ives&#8217; emphasis] (Cowell p. 10) His work is strong and can and should<br \/>\nbe enjoyed despite his troubling politics.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Taking him on! Celeste Hutchins Proseminar 10 September 2003 Postmodernist Ives &nbsp; Kramer is correct in concluding that Ives is not a &#8220;pre-postmodernist.&#8221; Although Ives aesthetic is clearly very forward thinking, his intentions are not and he borders on being a romantic. 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